Andres Ramos

Have you been in this state of mind already before you used the spirit box? Please never do any spiritual experiments if you are not in a stable mood. Can you explain in more detail what you are experiencing?

Hello Fernando. This is not a drawing, it's a screenshot from Audacity's signal window. The decaying parts of the signal are the discharging of the coupling capacitors in the soundcard. You know the soundcard has a lowest frequency to let through which is around 10 Hz or so. If your signal becomes slower you can see the discharge process of the internal capacitors. Since I adjusted the discriminator to only generate few impulses I got longer pause times between the impulse groups and then the discharging becomes visible. Try to ignore it. This has nothing to do with the impulses which are always rectangular. The signal was not processed, it's the raw output of the discriminator and FlipFlop.

I love the simplicity of those experiments. Excellent!

Have you ever thought of using fine granular media like filings?

A vortex! This is a fascinating idea. I wonder if a vortex even could produce voices if one would catch the reflected light of a vortex with a phototransistor.

Perfect! Just reach out for me when xou need any help.

Hi Fernando. I am still looking for the right noise source. In my documentation of previous experiments i found this screenshot. This is a screenshot from the graphite coherer. You see outstanding impulses. Most weirdly some of them are unsymmetrical. Could require full wave rectification before using the signal but this is no problem. Basically we have outstanding impulses in varying amplitude and density and a more or less low and steady ground noise. What do you think? I could make a prototype pretty easy i guess.

Wow!

Glad you confirmed that I got your idea right! I was already browsing through my Audacity projects to narrow the focus on suitable noise sources. Let me fo some more test and i will come back to you.

Deeper investigations on the signal I recorded now in Audacity are showing that this principle very likely will not bring anygood results. The problem is that we don't have a fix baudrate. When the assumed datagram starts with it's start bit, which is always zero, one can conclude the baudrate by the width of the bit. The problem is of course that the following bits do not necessarily stick to this convention and vary widely in their width. As the receiving process samples the signal level in fixed intervalls derived from the assumed baudrate it will often completely jump over some bits if they had become narrower. The receiving process is sampling the bit cells right in their middle to gain maximum safety. This only works if the width stays fixed at least inside one datagram. Variations from datagram to another one would be no problem since the valid baudrate for each datagram always can always be derived from the width of the startbit. But we cannot come over baudrate fluctuations inside a datagram. That's why this likely won't work although the spirits could train themselves on it. I will let it run for a while but i think that Fernandos idea has much more potential.

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What a nice discussion! Thanks to it now I completely understood Fernando's concept. Sadly the time shift between Europe and America kept me from participating in real time, sorry! I think the concept is really a great idea! The most important upside is that we basically can overcome the timing problem because the pulse duration does not play a role anymore. The idea is to find a level that can safely enough be relied on as representing the"Off" state. Obviously this only can be the noise ground floor what you guys estimated as being 0..30% of the maximum noise amplitude. Everything going over this threshold causes a logical 1 or 0, depending on the averaged amplitude level but not depending on the pulse width. The pulse is ending when it sinks back again into the ground noise. The challenge in my eyes is averaging, in respect of finding start and end of the impulse as well as calculating the averaged impulse amplitude in the presence of a multitude of spikes. To be honest I don't see this now in the signals we get, but we also know that the spirits have to train this before they can be successful. I have a feeling that this probably could be done best in software. Averaging in hw can only be realized with integrators which are low pass filters essentially. When you design them for good averaging you get long times for the system to swing in and weak and long roll-offs. In fact you will get a wiggling signal from an impulse that will only be valid at the impulse's end but the end of the impulse will be unsafe because the low pass characteristic is "smearing out" the roll-off. I already was facing this problem with noise gating earlier. In sw you can do more and better. The second challenge is to find a noise source that is fluid enough to become easily influenced by spirit energy projections but not too agile in itself to cause false binary signals - at least not too much of them. One word to the synchronization problem in my experiment. I am currently working with a baudrate of 150. The reason is that with this timing I get the full spectrum of all characters. With baudrates much biggerI observed a bias. Some characters came very often and others never. See this as my starting point that proves that this setup can provide every character of the alphabet. Of course the spirits now (provided they're willing) need to train how to throw in their energy to form characters at will. There are lots of parameters to test for them as the amplitude or amount of energy to project, the duration of projecting and also the direction because positive bursts are setting the flipflop and negative ones are resetting it. Both together specify the width of the generated pulse. The only way to train for them is feedback. Considering they hopefully can see the output they are generating on my terminal screen they can adapt their energy projections accordingly. If this should be successful we ought to see improved texts on the screen. If not then it's too complicated for them or they simply don't want to collaborate. To work out Fernando's idea I would experiment with some noise sources and make recordings on Audacity. Fernando, did you know that Audacity provides a programming language named 'Nyquist' that allows many things to do with the recorded signals? We could try out algorithms for bit cell detection and averaging and play with the parameters. If these are optimized we should use our findings to built a real time processing system from it since, as i said, the spirits need to see their generated output to adapt.

I did the same with an IP camera at night that i installed in my attic for cloud spotting. However I could not perceive any structures in the noise of a dark signal.

The noise goes into a discriminator circuit. Basically this circuit allows selectable levels of the noise signal to make it through. With a discriminator level of zero the complete signal goes through the next stage. With a higher setting more and more of the peak levels (symetrically to both sides of the amplitude) are the ones that are going through. Since the discriminator works with 2 comparators the output signal is digital. Each comparator triggers the set or respectively reset input of an RS flipflop. The result at the output of the FF are digital impulse trains of varying width. This signal is directly feeding the RxD pin of a serial comport input. If you remember the serial V24 protocol you see that a positive level of 5..12V is the idle level. If a low impulse occurs the serial comport sees this as a start bit of an 8-bit datagram. Thus the following impulses considering the respective baud setting sre detected as an ASCII character. If the spirits manage to manipulate the impulses they principally can learn to generate text. To make the text better readable my program throws out everything that is not an alphabet letter or a number.

Great to have you with us Bruce! Could you post some of your documents in our forum? I would like to read some basics of GBC.

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I have a work in progress of a spirit serial terminal application. Originally I intended to make a spirit morse decoder but it came out that the signals reminded me of RS232 serial data. Thus i hooked it up to a terminal program and got a nice mess of characters. I decided to write an own terminal program that just lets through the letters of the alphabet and numbers. The rest is discarded. It's almost working now. The electronic employs a germanium diode noise source and a discriminator circuit that gives me freedom yo decide what parts of the signal i want to use. The impulse are setting and resetting a flipflop that generates a nice stream of digital pulses of varying length. This signal is directly feeding the input of an RS232 comport on my pc. VID_20201031_161600.mp4

Thanks for your comment Karyn. Indeed Tesla seems to continue his work, participating in more than one spirit group. I frequently hear ITC experimenters mentioning him.

BTW i got the meteorite fragments by now. Will see when i have time to test them.

A very good analysis Fernando! I'd like to add one empirical finding. The theory of Mr. Rudolph tries to explain the manifestation of spirit voice on magnetic tape. However we encountered various manifestations with different methods of receiving and recording. All of us are using digital recording in various way. The voices we found in pure noise, gated audio, chaotic processes and simple sounds like dripping water, crumpled plastic foil or even wind. Those voices have the same quality as the early magnetic tape recordings of Jürgenson, Raudive and Senkowski. So there must be a working principle behind it that is not confined to magnetic tape recording. Moreover i observed that now i gain voices from setups that did not yield any results in the past. Thus for me it is clear that the driving force is entangled with the human energy field.

Hi Ron, this is fascinating and new to me. I just got quickly over your post as currently i am lacking resources everywhere. from what i understood is that you play an audio file (have not checked it out yet) and you get changes in amplitude but not in volume. I understand this in a way that the amplitude of the played audio does not change but there is an additional energy at the loudspeaker coil that generates additional sound and this sound contains voices?

I did something similar in my lunch break. I let the stream produce german words. All words are more or less meaningful but no precise hints. However one thing was outstanding. I got "Käserei Alpe"->"Dairy Alpe" and indeed there is a Dairy named "Alpe" existing in Italy and they have a Website too. Also "Bungalow Hütte" are a strange coincidence as both are describing a small building.

That means the spirit images appeared on the cards?