Michael, you still are my hero! Can't wait for your software to check it out.

This is wonderful! I am looking forward to it Michael! 

Andres and Kevin: You are two of the "alpha-testers."

Download the code from the link, when you get a chance, and have a fire extinguisher handy!  

38 minutes ago, Michael Lee said:

Andres and Kevin: You are two of the "alpha-testers."

Download the code from the link, when you get a chance, and have a fire extinguisher handy!  

I have my ectoplasm thrower ready.

Since I already have Anaconda running I can directly jump into testing. I bet I will have some troubles with the phython libs as usual.

Will check it out tomorrow.

Will do my friend! Am I to understand that it is necessary to install the Anaconda software as well? 

Kevin - Miniconda, which is a smaller version of Anaconda, should be sufficient. 

https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/miniconda.html#windows-installers

Miniconda installs the basic Python library management tools, and then my instructions will lead to a download of the Python libraries that my program needs. I tried the process on my daughter's Windows computer and the whole process was fairly painless. The only problem was when I want to remove Miniconda (to clear her computer) I accidentally uninstalled Minecraft, instead. Needless to say, I'm now in big trouble!

2 hours ago, Michael Lee said:

Kevin - Miniconda, which is a smaller version of Anaconda, should be sufficient. 

https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/miniconda.html#windows-installers

Miniconda installs the basic Python library management tools, and then my instructions will lead to a download of the Python libraries that my program needs. I tried the process on my daughter's Windows computer and the whole process was fairly painless. The only problem was when I want to remove Miniconda (to clear her computer) I accidentally uninstalled Minecraft, instead. Needless to say, I'm now in big trouble!

Yes you are but you made the world a little better now!

Hi Michael! I installed everything according to your very good description. Now I got the following erro while starting "itc_translator.py"

runfile('C:/Users/User/Documents/Code/Python/Michaels ML/itc_translator.py', wdir='C:/Users/User/Documents/Code/Python/Michaels ML')
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp/ipykernel_15308/3073042103.py", line 1, in <module>
    runfile('C:/Users/User/Documents/Code/Python/Michaels ML/itc_translator.py', wdir='C:/Users/User/Documents/Code/Python/Michaels ML')

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\debugpy\_vendored\pydevd\_pydev_bundle\pydev_umd.py", line 167, in runfile
    execfile(filename, namespace)

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\debugpy\_vendored\pydevd\_pydev_imps\_pydev_execfile.py", line 25, in execfile
    exec(compile(contents + "\n", file, 'exec'), glob, loc)

  File "C:/Users/User/Documents/Code/Python/Michaels ML/itc_translator.py", line 355, in <module>
    custom_objects={'alpha':alpha})

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\tensorflow_core\python\keras\saving\save.py", line 146, in load_model
    return hdf5_format.load_model_from_hdf5(filepath, custom_objects, compile)

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\tensorflow_core\python\keras\saving\hdf5_format.py", line 166, in load_model_from_hdf5
    model_config = json.loads(model_config.decode('utf-8'))

AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'

Error in callback <bound method AutoreloadMagics.post_execute_hook of <autoreload.AutoreloadMagics object at 0x000002255E30D448>> (for post_execute):
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\IPython\extensions\autoreload.py", line 538, in post_execute_hook
    _, pymtime = self._reloader.filename_and_mtime(sys.modules[modname])

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\IPython\extensions\autoreload.py", line 184, in filename_and_mtime
    if not hasattr(module, '__file__') or module.__file__ is None:

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\tensorflow\__init__.py", line 50, in __getattr__
    module = self._load()

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\site-packages\tensorflow\__init__.py", line 44, in _load
    module = _importlib.import_module(self.__name__)

  File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\lib\importlib\__init__.py", line 127, in import_module
    return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)

  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import

  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load

  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 965, in _find_and_load_unlocked

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow_core.estimator'

File "C:\Users\User\anaconda3\envs\tf21_nogpu\..." tells me you didn't first "conda activate tf25_nogpu"

There's definitely compatibility issues with different Tensorflow versions, so you have to be currently in an environment that's running tensorflow 2.5, to run the models I provided.

I activated the tf25_nogpu. Will check the tensorflow version but isn't this defined in the environment.py?

The environment.yml file is used to build the environment for the first time (and then that installation is done).

But then that environment needs to be "activated" (or selected) to use: conda activate tf25_nogpu

37 minutes ago, Michael Lee said:

The environment.yml file is used to build the environment for the first time (and then that installation is done).

But then that environment needs to be "activated" (or selected) to use: conda activate tf25_nogpu

Yes and so I did. However I ran the application in Spyder and I cannot rule out that I started Spyder in another environment. Will check this tomorrow.

Spyder is a headache with this new environment. It had to be installed via pip, not conda, so there's no simple shortcut in Windows. Each time I load up Spyder, I have to activate the environment in the Anaconda shell, first, then type spyder. 

12 hours ago, Michael Lee said:

Spyder is a headache with this new environment. It had to be installed via pip, not conda, so there's no simple shortcut in Windows. Each time I load up Spyder, I have to activate the environment in the Anaconda shell, first, then type spyder. 

Ok, so it's better to start your app directly from a command console with phython? When I do this is the respective folder where the application resides, am I in the correct environment automatically?

The environments are all stored in a central location. "Activate" sets all the correct paths for python, spyder, etc. My program isn't affected by those path variables, but, of course, the libraries that it calls are affected.

Today I found a way zo run your program. First I tried to start python from a windows console with your program as a parameter but Windows didn't know the path yo python. Then I started Anaconda, entered the tf25_nongpu environment, opened a console in Anaconda and started python with your program. Et voilà, it works!!!!

Right. I use something called the Anaconda Prompt Shell, to enter the command-line. Python and conda are both available, then. All this is good for the instructions.

Thanks for the software and discussion. I will try because I was successful with the Scalar app that Michael put together, using Miniconda. I hope I don't run into the problems Andres had. I don't have Spyder or Tensor Flow or any of that other stuff to confuse it.  But just in case, please update the instructions to help troubleshoot for people that might run into that problem.  

I'm lost. Readme.txt starts with:
 

2) Start an "Anaconda Prompt" from the Run Menu.

   Change directory to the main directory of this program.

   Install extra-required modules with the .yml provided in the main directory:

    conda env create --file environment.yml

 3) Change to this new environment:

    conda activate tf25_nogpu

I moved program files into main user directory, and into miniconda directory. 

What does it mean "Install extra-required modules ----------"
I only get two environments: base and scalar
tf25_nogpu is not an environment. 

I don't recommend moving any files around, but that may have helped you with scalar.

Now "conda env create --file environment.yml" should do a bunch of stuff and create a new environment called "tf25_nogpu"

If you look at the "environment.yml" with a text editor it should specify somewhere "tf25_nogpu" as the "title" and then list all of the packages it will download and install when "created."

This environment will then support the "ITC translator."

If you're not getting "tf25_nogpu" to list as an available environment after doing the "create", then "hmmm."

conda env list

Now another trick to know is as long as you don't modify the "base" environment, you can always remove other environments and try building them again with first "conda env remove -n <name of broken environment>"

Once again, moving files around shouldn't be necessary. If all else fails we can do a "Zoom" to see what's going on. 

-michael

conda env create --file environment.yml FILE NOT FOUND

conva env list - ONLY GIVES BASE AND SCALAR

If I remove other environments, I'll break the one used for Scalar. 

environment.yml in text editor starts with "name: tf25_nogpu"

Ok. The conva env create needs to be run in the directory that the environment.yml is residing.

You can move the .yml around to put it where you need to, it's only used once for that command.

There is only one directory that is showing on the Anaconda prompt:
c:\Users\sglan>

If I run "conva env create" from there, I get CONVA IS NOT RECOGNIZED AS A COMMAND

Even though I copied environment.yml into that directory.

I don't know how to change directory in the Anaconda prompt. It doesn't work like a normal prompt where you can just type CD

OK, I figured out how to change directory to C:\Users\sglan\miniconda 3. Then I typed conda env create, not conva env create. Packages are loading. 

OK, I got it installed. Had to change audio indices, as your instructions suggest. I can hear the output.  But I don't know how you hear input. I talk into computer speaker, but hear nothing. I talk into webcam speaker after changing the index, and hear nothing. There's no monitor showing input.

And where does the output get saved? I don't see a "save" button. I found the recordfilename in the script, but when I replace pathdir with my path where I want to save, it gives me a wrong syntax error message. C:\Users\sglan\documents doesn't work.

OK, I looked it up. The syntax is r"C:\Users\sglan\documents" Weird syntax, but it works! It saved the clip in my documents folder. 

It needs a manual to explain the GUI features. Some are intuitive, but others are not.