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  1. Hi Spirit33,

    Please check this link on our forum ( my post April 6, 2021) . Here I try to explain from where I purchased 5000 ohm coils ( two pieces) when building my own germanium receptor:

     

      

    We had earlier a long -lasting project on Varanormal web site concerning the TDC device (Germanium receptor) and its specifications. Thus, going through the previous posts related to this topic might be very useful in order to save time and energy.

    Good luck for you ! 

    I am really interested in hearing if your ready-made device is receptive and working !

    GISMO5367

  2.  

    Greetings !

    I am glad when hearing that my thoughts and comments were of some use to you. Unfortunately I am not an expert in electronics. That is why - as for the electrical and electromagnetic side of Germanium receptor is concerned, I strongly suggest that you contact for example Andres Ramos (from the Leaderboard) or Dr. Jeffers ( one of the moderators), because both of them gave me very useful tips and advice in my efforts to build a working TDC-device. I also found it useful to go through all the related original literature ->  Please check  the book references on  Scole web site:

    https://www.thescoleexperiment.com

    After digesting this background information, it was much more easier for me to understand that it is impossible to approach paranormal phenomena if my framework is based only on mainstream science. If you are predominantly interested in EVP and paranormal voices, I suggest familiarizing yourself for exaample with Anabela Cardoso's books.   If I can help you in the future in some way, I am always available.

    Kind regards,

    GISMO5367 

  3. On 2/24/2022 at 3:37 PM, GISMO5367 said:

    Visual information in these three videos probably reflects Aristomenis Tsirbas' creative skills and the limits of his imagination. But if you read the message of the alien presented in this video very carefully, you must admit,  that it makes a lot of sense, especially thinking our current world situation. Thus, it is possible,  that the message of this video comes from different sources that its pictorial material .

    GISMO 5367

    ALIEN INTERVIEW 1-3.docx 78.97 kB · 5 downloads ALIEN INTERVIEW 1-3.pdf 342.89 kB · 17 downloads

     

    What about these video clips /addresses : Our real descendants from the future or results of video/image processing ? You decide !

    Please click these links directly or use for example  GOOGLE search engine:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1613968952023224320

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1594429785622519811

     

    GISMO5367

  4. Thank you very much for your thorough feedback.  A perfectly working TDC-device depends on many factors  and many of these factors are out of our control. Thinking my 2nd question concerning the origin of EVP/ ITC-voices:  I think both deceased humans ( their spirits or souls) might be behind these phenomena.  Non-human entities from other dimensions - who possibly have consciousness but not A body-  may be involved, but  also extraterrestrial biological entities ( who have a solid physical body, like we have,  but who are shape shifters and able to manifest also in their "astral" body. There is a lot evidence supporting the extraterrestrial theory. I give some references:

     Corso Philip: The Day after Roswell. Pocket Books 1997; ISBN: 0-671-00461-1

    Kasten Len: Secret Journey to Planet Serpo. Bear & Company 2013; ISBN: 978-1-591143-831-1 (eBook)

    https://www.serpo.org

    I would like to highlight also the fact,  that in EVP-research work there  is possible to conduct an evidence based study using the basic methods accepted in mainstream science and as a result get anomalous EVP voices. -> The attached  Anabela Cardoso's article is freely downloadable from The Internet:

     

    GISMO 5367

     

     

     

     

     

    Neuroquantology-_-Anabela-Cardoso-Report-571-1451-1-PB-003.pdf

  5. It is nice to hear from  people who are still interested in building a TDC-device (Germanium receptor). There were serious plans to do that even before our "Varanormal" web site existed. I am still contemplating two things: the optimal design of this device and "who are the communicators ?. The last question emerged recentlywhen I have  spent more time investigating the theory behind the UFO phenomenon and alien lore. I have learnt, that  when a living creature dies, the essence of this life form is only transitioned to another dimension ( where the aliens also live and move on the interfaces of dimensions). In theory, this "afterlife dimension" might also be the same place where we all live after death. It might be like a hologram or just the flip side of our current existence. EVP and ITC research work has demonstrated, that in this "afterlife" our consciousness survives but the laws in this reality are different than in our earthly life - especially as far as the concepts of "time" and "space" are concerned.

    I worked almost one year with the Germanium receptor on this forum and many versions of the TDC-device were developed during that time ( please see my earlier comments and conversation on the Varanormal forum). Even an "official" TDC- device was built without any breakthrough achievements. My personal impression is, that the so called "electronic voices" sometimes hide ( or are forced to hide)  their real identity which might also be "an extraterrestrial biological entity". Many direct radio voices sound robotic and artificial as if they are coming through different "passages". "towers" or "bridges".  For example, as an answer to questions like "what are the critical factors (spirtual or technical) for successful communication when using different "devices",  we get: " We (communicators from other dimension) make the contact." During The  Scole Experiment some of the messages didn't follow any laws of mainstream physics: Images appeared on blank films without a camera and audio data on tapes without any microphone. Thus, the mainstream science is helpless solving these problems without co-operation between us and entities from other dimension.

    Regardless of all this, it seems, that  some elements - like germanium and silicon - have something to do with electromagnetism and our psycho-physical energy. Our own "vibration level" seems to be a very important factor and that must be in harmony with the vibration level of the communicating entity (from other dimension) as well as with the setup of our communication devices. We are still struggling with these problems, but thinking successful communication,  there might still be " the best possible and optimal model of germanium receptor".  However,  based on my recent realizations, Mr. Paul Hamden  and William Treurniet probably are  more near the truth than any of us at the moment ->

    Zeta primer (treurniet.ca)

    porTer's last comments are worth noticing in our efforts to further develop the TDC-device (germanium receptor) and find its final working version.  Domenic's  audio clips are very demonstrative and I think careful analysis of the audio signals would probably confirm their authenticity (Analysing EVP and paranormal sound recordings -> attached)

    Finally I kindly ask porTer and Domenic to give feedback (possible technical corrections) as far as my own TDC-device (images on the forum 13.9.2021)  is concerned. The circuit  was originally built according to the instructions presented in Grant&Jane Solomon's book "The Scole Experiment" (p.218):

    https://www.varanormal.com/forums/topic/1068-project-1-the-tdc-device-edison-and-the-scole-experiments/

     

     

     

     

    Analysing EVP and paranormal sound recordings (1).pdf

  6. Thank you Domenic for this  interesting message ! Could you please tell us something  about the technical details of your Germanium receptor (including the amplifier and sealing of the device) + layout (photograph + wiring diagram) and kindly inform us also about the methods / research settings you have used with the device, as well as the results (MP3-audio clips)

     

    GISMO5367

  7. Very interesting speech.  As we know, Consciousness has no limits but unfortunately, as humans, we are also predetermined  to meet life forms which are more evolved than we are but also composed of solid and coarse substance ... : Please see the link below + attached PDF file.

    Majestic 12 files (thelivingmoon.com)  

     

    GISMO5367

    MJ-12-report-19.09.1947.pdf

  8. Our senses and comprehension are deceptive and our perception may not be enough to evaluate everything that exists - whether it is an obvious hoax, information conveyed   by our emotions , PSI skills /ability or intuition or an observation based on purely physical evidence and the following conclusion. As an example I can give you two  links ( strange creatures - true or hoax ?) ->

    Atacama Humanoid – Dr. Steven Greer (siriusdisclosure.com)

    Atta Boy, the Lost Holy Grail of the Ripley's Collection (ripleys.com)

  9. Visual information in these three videos probably reflects Aristomenis Tsirbas' creative skills and the limits of his imagination. But if you read the message of the alien presented in this video very carefully, you must admit,  that it makes a lot of sense, especially thinking our current world situation. Thus, it is possible,  that the message of this video comes from different sources that its pictorial material .

    GISMO 5367

    ALIEN INTERVIEW 1-3.docx ALIEN INTERVIEW 1-3.pdf

  10.  Thank you Karyn very much when providing Anabela Cardoso’s teaching videos on the forum. I went through all of them ( 1-7) during the last week. I also have her three books,  which are excellent and very informative.  She is able to present the essential facts of EVP phenomenon and research methods in a clear and comprehensible manner and her own results are remarkably deep.

    Regardless of all the  research work which has continued now almost 70-80 years, the EVP phenomenon and paranormal voices are still  great mysteries and the main problems are – as I can see the whole scenario – as follows,  in the light of a few examples:

    -          During the course of time many electronic , electromagnetic and optical  devices have been developed for communication between our world and the other dimensions, especially trying to reach our deceased relatives and the realm of The Dead. Unfortunately, the results have been quite modest and interactive communication is still far from desirable.

    -          Evaluating paranormal voices (scientifically) is an extremely difficult task, because (1) We humans are part of the research process and not separate from it ( as many mainstream scientists still think). (2) Even our ”success rate” ( how easily we are able to pick paranormal voices) depends very much on our own energy level ( Orgone energy / Chi / Prana, Kundalini energy etc.). (3) According to the Eastern tradition ( mainly Hindu Yoga, Buddhism, Taoism  and Tantra ),  Prana follows the thought, which travels faster than light. The other basic claim in Tantric yoga is, that ”human consciousness has no limits”. The discoveries of ”the Eastern tradition” are nowadays approaching the concepts of modern nuclear physics.  Theoretical physics mentions imaginary particles (tachyons), which are able to travel faster than light. I parapsychology, there is also a theory related to the principle how PSI works and this might have a connection to tachyons, prana  and their function.

    Tachyon - Wikipedia

    -           Certain meditation techniques can expose a person to paranormal phenomena and the ability to  receive also paranormal voices. Thus , our own body and its energy fields and channels may play an important role in EVP-work and our (etheric/energy) body is probably  the main ”instrument” and ”device” to facilitate communication between the worlds.  But there are many contradictions involved: According to Anabela Cardoso, some superior beings have stated (Adolf Homes’ paranormal computer texts) that … ” we do not need your electromagnetic technique to switch your instruments on because silicon, nerve cell and consciousness are absolutely the same thing for us … ” AND ”… Our request to you (humans) is that identifying yourselves with your planet and all life in it because everything of you is formed of identical particles. To us silicon, nerve cell and consciousness are absolutely identical…”  Paradoxically,  for example in The Scole experiment – as far as the construction of "The Germanium Receptor" was concerned,  the ”spirit scientists” highlighted the importance of germanium as a building material in this device,  instead of silicon, although professor Ellison considered this selection inappropriate - especially thinking the basic rules in electronics and electromagnetism.

    -          Anabela Cardoso also informs us, that according to the EVP-messages, the operators from the other dimension need to put the energies we work together through thought and mind energies and that there can be combination of certain energies to create voice. The voices also tell us that  ”… our concept of energy form does not correspond unequivocally to their reality. In their systems our current energy requirements are not necessary…”.

    -          As I can understand, direct radio voices (DRV) transmit more in-depth knowledge about the other dimension(s) instead of ordinary EVP-messages.  Some experienced investigators / communicators consider that the ability to receive Electronic voices might be an innate gift or an  ability ( as a reference see quotation /attached PDF-document from Robin Foy’s book ”In Pursuit of Physical Mediumship”; Janus Publishing 1996; ISBN: 1-85756-248-8). According to this document,  It seems, that for some people the ability to receive EVPs is more easy than for the others and we don’t know exactly which factors are crucial and important in this process. The voices also tell us that ” contacting us (from their side) is sometimes extremely difficult for them when "energy levels" are declining.

    -          Sometimes reflecting on the answers that inspire us the least, can be helpful in tracing the truth and developing critical thinking when looking at paranormal phenomena: Is it possible that we are not communicating with the spirits at all and that our communicators are something absolutely different ( aliens, interdimensional physical and mortal beings etc. ) ? Or are we discussing with ourselves ( our subliminal self or with some of our multiple personalities which might  manifest during hypnosis and trance ? Or are we able to collect information from our collective  subconscious mind  and project that as electronic voices using psychokinetic or some other unknown force. ? Why most of EVP messages are very trivial and don’t tell anything about the afterlife or other dimensions? Why our fellow sisters,  brothers and relatives beyond the border of death need  ”a specific permission” from some ”higher entities” to communicate with us ? Why some people are ” more suitable than the others for communication ? ”

     

    -          Because there are marked differences between people as far as their ability or chances  to receive EVPs are concerned ( without any specific reason), it might be interesting to hear which type of electronic (paranormal) voices members on our forum have received recently and which type of method they have used. Clear paranormal voices –which are audible and understandable - at least  for all English speaking people – are appreciated. Copies of MP3 audio files presented on the forum might also be very useful.

     

    -          EVP research as a method is superior as compared to seances, where pooled mental energy of the participants is essential for the manifestation of the phenomena. The prevailing Covid-19 pandemia prevents many planned meetings face to face. Many people – including myself – are not necessarily very willing to share all their spiritual or psychical experiences with everyone else and in this respect ”solo work” provides an opportunity – without using extra energy – to study a single paranormal phenomenon (EVP), the result of which can also be recorded and stored  in an electronic database as an audio file and a corresponding research protocol.

    GISMO5367

    EVP MANIFESTATION.pdf

  11. On 11/28/2021 at 12:38 AM, GISMO5367 said:

    Definitely I will return later to this topic again . Thank you very much for your comments ! I fully agree Fernando's arguments and I am really pleased when hearing something positive about our destiny as a human race, our chances as spiritual beings as well as  claims that are well founded and promote our common good.

    But there is still some kind of conflict between our theories and the latest discoveries in neural sciences. As an example I can give the  "concept of astral projection and astral body" There are neurophysiological very good explanations  as well as energy based or spiritual explanations related to this phenomenon -  also real experimental knowledge - which is  based on ancient and well founded theories related to prana, chi, PSI etc.). All this shows, that we are still very far from the final answer when trying to find the limits of human consciousness.

    The following links are attached in order to clarify this difficult topic:

    https://archive.org/details/TheSerpentPowerByArthurAvalon/page/n17/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/1929MuldoonCarringtonTheProjectionOfTheAstralBody/page/n25/mode/2up

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC535951/

     

    As I promised, I return to this topic again ( after contemplating that) .  Personally I have not very much to say, because we are talking about the ultimate questions and riddles. Regardless of that,  I fully agree the following words (free translation):

    "... In the field of parapsychology, no information can be given about the facts, and no one can really be persuaded by presenting the facts. A scientist specializing in all other fields can, using practical methods and tools, explain his findings and systematically communicate them with one another. If someone has to be sure, s/he has to be involved in the phenomena themselves, see, hear and experience them.This is quite easily convinced, because it is difficult for those who do not have specialist knowledge to draw conclusions that are completely contrary to the testimonies of the senses. However, it is a skill that scientists in this field need to learn quite well, because nowhere else is it so certain that the senses are deceptive witnesses to reality…”

    "…Even if many scientists oppose the demands of parapsychology, they may not be over-blamed for it. The difficulties in this field are extraordinarily great because of most of the closed and colorless worldview they have acquired themselves. Among those who call themselves scientists, there are relatively few who are open-minded truth-seekers who have a life-long need to define the extreme limits of human knowledge and opportunity ..."

     [John Björkhem: Det Occkulta Problemet 1939 / Translation in Finnish, Norwegian, Danish and German exists/is available]]

     

  12. Yes, Fernando, I got your idea. Its seems,  that when we are "transitioned" to the other dimension, something changes, but not all. We are still on the way somewhere else and hopefully towards the "higher astral worlds/levels". In this scenario we have now died once, but what follows. Should we die again ?Reincarnation is one possibility, but not very attractive.  Our astral body is still matter, subject to change and doomed to disappear. Or then we are on the way to other "more developed" worlds. What does this all mean? In which way we should evolve? I have internalized ( like many other of us) those high values all real spiritual teachers highlight: compassion, a sense of pity and love and our responsibilities as human beings. Many documents related to Alien abductions (e.g in John Mack's books) ,  Paul Hamden's revelations about The Zeta race + my attachment "aliens and the last Scole sessions" -> (see  above PDF document /30.12.2021)  show,  that some intelligent interdimensional beings might not have those POSITIVE characteristics what we humans own ( for example sense of humor or  emotions). According to Paul Hamden, Grey aliens (Zetas), may in certain situations behave as individuals but in other situations they might have a "group mind" like society insects or herd animals (?) Some extraterrestrials  do not have a physical body at all and are living in a world, which is composed only of images. Some aliens  have no idea of us at all and don't know how we look like. Many spirits have no idea about the passage of time etc... Thus, the most important question is our situation as humans is: Where are we going and what we should aim for? All concepts presuppose the existence of an opposite. People are not necessarily good or bad. There is a huge grey area between these two opposites. Coincidence and necessity affect us all the time as well and free will is mainly connected how we react to incidents and oncoming accidents and obstacles rather than how our lives are realized in in everyday life here on our ball. The law of karma is sometimes very cruel and its effect is difficult to justice when monitoring certain human destinies.

    GISMO5267

  13. On 12/9/2021 at 5:47 AM, Fernando Luis Cacciola Carballal said:

    The previous post presented the general ideas (which as I said had already been discussed before).

    In this post I'll get into some details based on a simple python code I've used to do some experiments over some of the sample files we already have.

    For this I used the following sample from Andres:

     

     

     

    The picture below is the output of my simple program over (a slice of) that sample:

    image.thumb.png.1501a965cd8f5ce65aaa4aac272fa536.png

     

    Green is the wave form of the sample.

    The first step is to compute the envelope of the sound stream. In my code, I sliced the entire WAV file in chunks, but the envelope can be computed for the entire clip at once. The computed envelope is shown here in red. There are many ways to compute the envelope of a signal. Here I used one that works very well on conventional audio data. It does NOT work very well on the type of "TWAK" samples I imagine they would be producing, so this is just to show you the general steps of the decoding method.

    The second step is to digitalize the envelope with a 3-level threshold. Anything above a certain "one-threshold" is turned into 1. Anything above a certain "zero-threshold" is turned into a 0. Anything else is turned into -1 (or whatever).

    This raw digitalization of the envelope is shown in blue.

    Just like morse code requires a gap to separate the dots and dashes (and a gap is the OFF in the keying), TWAK requires a low-level symbol (the -1 above) separating the other symbols (0 and 1).

    Thus the next step is to extract the digits, or bit-symbols. A digit is either a zero or a one. 

    Just as in morse code a gap is required as separator between dots and/or dashes, in TWAK, the "gap symbol" is also required between zeros and/or ones. 

    Let me elaborate on this requirement since it is the key feature of TWAK.

    Traditionally, and in most forms of digital communication (let us consider morse code as a form of digital communication since it maps letters to a combination of discrete symbols), the strategy used to distinguish one digit from the next is the use of timing: it is the duration of the symbol which let us distinguish one symbol from several consecutive but equal symbols. 

    That is, transmitting the binary code 000000111 using ASK can be done with just a long signal at level 0 followed by a shorter signal at level 1. The fact that 
    we are transmitting 6, not 1 zero is determined by the duration level 0 signal.

    Similarly, morse code uses two durations (symbol lengths): short duration and long duration (which is 3 times the short duration). 

    We could, naturally, ask the spirits to follow the existing strategies and follow some timing scheme to build the zeros and ones of a digital communication. However, for whatever reason, I imagined that for them, shifting an existing signal, specially one as chaotic as noise, but in a systematically and consistently timely manner is specially difficult. Very difficult in fact. 

    Suppose I ask you to use ON-OFF keying (such as turning a flashlight on and off), to send the binary message 0000000111. How would you make sure to keep the flashlight off the time needed for 7 zeros instead of 6? 

    The geniality of morse code lies in the fact that it can be transmitted via ON-OFF keying, BUT, the OFF state is just for the gap, the separator, while the significant symbols, dot and dash, use the ON state. That's why it has two, quite distinct, symbol durations, not just one. 
    It's definitely far easier to keep the light on for a short or a long time, than to try to sync the time that is on in order to accommodate a varying amount of consecutive dots or dashes.

    In morse code, while the light is on (no matter how long), it is either one dot, or one dash. The light off is necessarily a gap, and gaps are necessary to send the next dot or dash (in the international morse code there can be several consecutive (that is, shorter or longer) gaps, but dots and dashes are always separated by at least one gap)

    So, how would you use on-off keying, a flashlight, to send 0000000111? you turn it on for both the zeros and ones, off to separate them. And you would use a short duration for zeros, a long duration for ones.

    The central idea behind the Three-Way Amplitude Keying (TWAK) method presented here is to combine the on-off states with the short-long durations discussed above to provide a duration-free binary encoding.

    One and only one digit, or bit-symbol (zero or one), can be transmitted at a time, as they must always be separated by the gap-symbol.

    But unlike morse-code, any symbol in TWAK (gap or bit) is duration free (it doesn't matter whether is short or very long). The distinguishing factor is not the duration of the symbol but the (energy) level.

    In the picture above, you can see that, according to the gating of the envelope that I've just happened to produce for this sample and with the parameters I used, there is one long, but still just one symbol at the start. 

    The next step is, as I mentioned, is two collect all bit-values (0 or 1) that appear consecutively between gap-values (-1). Each such consecutive sequence of bit values is called a bit-symbol. In the example above you might count about 20 such symbols.

    The next step is to coalesce all the different zeros and ones within a single bit-symbol into just one value. The current code takes the statistical mode of the sequence (which of the zeros or ones appears the most). 

    In the example above and using the parameters I played with for this post, all 20 symbols reduce to just zeros since there are not enough ones between gaps.

    For real applications, I need a better envelope calculations, better 3-way thresholding and smarter statistical analysis of the true value of a bit-symbol (rather than just taking the mode).

    I'll be working on that soon... stay tuned.  

    NOTE: It can be seen from the problem decomposition presented above that we can also use duration-based distinction between zeros and ones, just as we would with a single flashlight keeping it on for short or long periods to send a 0 or a 1.

    I think we should experiment with that as well. In that case, there would be a single level thresholding, not two, and we would look at the duration of the bit-symbols rather than their statistical energy level. Short-lived energy burst (above the noise level) would be a zero. Longer-lived energy bursts would be a one.  This would be similar to the other digital-ITC experiments done by the rest of the team (Michael), except for the addition of the gap-symbol to eliminate the need for synchronization, since the duration here is only for symbol distinction, not to sync, as usual.

    However,  I would be surprised to find that they can control the duration of the burst easier than its energy level. So I imagine TWAK to be far more effective.

     

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    Communication with interdimensional beings or spirits of deceased humans (theoretical speculations):

    SGLAZ’s  conlusion (below)  ”It would be better if all they had to do is speak, with all the translation done on our side” is very important and essential thinking ITC and EVP research work, because language in the only effective way to convey information and data which is accessible to all people. Worldwide many ITC researchers are developing more sophisticated devices in order to improve the quality of paranormal audio signals (electronic voices). At least during the last 60 yrs people have  received many EVP  messages, but most of them have been  too  indistinct and their interpretation has been  difficult and even impossible.

    At the moment we don’t have effective methods to recognize individual letters in a (poor quality) paranormal voice message in order to catch the meaning of the message

    In the future speech science probably brings help to this problem . Recently I found an interesting article (attached PFD document)  related to this topic ( provided by ASSAP):

     http://www.assap.ac.uk/newsite/articles/Analysing%20audio%20EVP.html

    ASSAP also recommends certain software fort this purpose. -> I tried to download one of them - a free program Praat (by Paul Boersma and David Weenink),  but failed , because  my computer  (Widows 10) rejected that for safety reasons. Anyway, this program is in common use in speech science and should not cause any harm. Any solutions  or other recommendations

    Anyway, computers are able to  transmit information-  voice, text and  images - using using only the numbers 0 and 1 for coding. Thus, Fernando’s TWAK- method might also be very useful when trying to interpret  audio signals and even signals we possibly one day receive from the space like in SETI-project (or ITC?). This kind of methods are much more useful when analyzing digital signals, especially audio, as compared to the practice where the investigator is only ”listening” the signal, because our brains can give us a wide variety of pranks in processing the signal our senses reach.

     

     

    Analysing EVP and paranormal sound recordings.pdf

  14. 2 hours ago, Fernando Luis Cacciola Carballal said:

    Hi GISMO,

    I think that I've mentioned this before in this forum, but I'll repeat it here just in case it was someplace else.

    On the one hand, my spiritist church had made, in the period from 1920 to 1940 (give or take) a series of mediumship channelings covering various topics, and one of them was aliens. The results where documented in a special booklet (which I had the pleasure of reading when I was a teen).

    According to these, there is or used to be ages ago (that was unspecified) humanoid-life on the other planets on our solar system. Specially Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn. A description of the Martians is in the booklet, and they look, indeed, similar to the classic alien figure, except that they are taller than us humans instead of shorter. Something else was the fact they still have a sort of mouth, but is not used neither to speak (they speak telepathically) nor to eat. It's an evolutionary remnant.  Also the fact that they had very very long lives of several thousands of years.

    The ones in Jupiter are described as being semi-transparent. While the book doesn't say it, I take it (now) to mean that they are in a separate non-entirely physical dimension. I don't recall much about the others.

    In that book it was also mentioned that "they" (without specifying which ones) come often to earth because they feed on our minerals (yes, the book specifically said that they eat that.... probably not quite but that's what happens with channeled material). And that, sometimes they get caught by our governments.

    [A funny story is that the last year of primary school I've made like a special class presenting all this to a bunch of students, teachers and parents. I don't recall much. I've made drawing on the blackboard and told the story including were I've got it from. What I don't recall at all is the reaction, but I imagined people would think I was just a funny kid or some such]

    Fast forward half a century later, around 2000 or so, the church (one medium) made a "thematic" astral travel. The idea was to visit people that had recently died to build a report on how it feels and looks like to pass over when it's still "hot" so to speak.

    Well, to our surprise (we were there listening to the report the medium gave right after having come back), he came across two souls that were aliens, and had just been killed by a government facility that had caught them. They didn't indicate where they came from, nor which government was it. They specifically mentioned that they were subjected to all kinds of physiological investigations before their bodies couldn't take it any more. But they also said that this is what we do, they know and are used to it, and it's not a problem in the sense that they know the risks.

    Hi Fernado,

    This was a very interesting story concerning your spirit church, although not "evidence based". Probably the final truth is, that those of us who are demanding "the final evidence/truth" have actually  created a circulus vitiosus for themselves. It is a little bit similar scenario and concept  than "Koan" in Zen tradition - when considering this topic only superficially. According to the western science, finally, we always have only one instrument left for our investigations - our own  physical brains - which unfortunately are matter and form and thus subject to change and sentenced to vanish. I was told, that the "lower" astral planes are more dense matter and the "upper ones" pure energy, perception and emotions without form.  If we read the last pages of Robin Foy's diary "Witnessing The Impossible" and specifically  description of the last scole sessions,  it seems likely, that  many intelligent life forms probably exist in other dimensions and communication with them might be possible for humans.

    GISMO5367

  15. According to spiritism and the occult tradition, all  what you say above , is in harmony with those observations we have  at the moment - as far as  ITC research is concerned. In my library I have two ebooks especially related to this topic. The Blue Island you will also find as a Finnsh version from my home pages -> https://www.nidaba.fi

     

    BLUE ISLAND by W.T Stead ( free ebook)

    Blue Island, by W. T. Stead - Free ebook - Global Grey ebooks

    THE ASTRAL PLANE by C.W. Leadbeater (free ebook)

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  16. It seems that Fernando Cacciola and Renan SF9997 reacted to this old video " Grey Alien filmed by KGB" yesterday/today.  Thus, I need to give some feedback: The reasons why this video is still bothering me are:  (1) Until this day nobody has been able with certainty to show that it is fake. (2) Pentagon UFO report and also US navy earlier documentation shows that we are dealing with something which is real but still unknown and tries to avoid direct evidence. (3) I have personally witnessed the presence of an UFO up close with my wife at the same time years ago. (4) Nobody has been able to show that the results obtained in The Scole Experiment are fake - but even the opposite and I am still deeply amazed when reading the documents of the last Scole sessions ( please see the attached PDF-document). (5) Budd Hopkins' and Jacques Vallee's writings and studies are evidence based. Thus, I am quite sure, that at least part of our "communicators"  are interdimensional beings or aliens ( = not from our own race) and that they are "real".  Please, express also your own opinions here. They are warmly welcome.

    ALIENS AND THE LAST SCOLE SESSIONS.pdf

  17. A great approach to a difficult subject. I feel that this topic and Fernando's "digital ITC hypothesis" is very important especially thinking all those difficulties we have at the moment with EVP/ITC messages. If we are able to develop this kind of digital communication techniques, scientific approach and methods created/used  by "spirit scientist" might at some stage meet. However, there is so much incomprehensible and surprising  in the spirit world and how the spirits work and act, that I don't take anything for granted at the moment. I would ask for the guidance of spirits themselves in all such activities,  wait and see what happens trying to use those methods which have proved successful for now - and collect audio data - patiently.

  18. Definitely I will return later to this topic again . Thank you very much for your comments ! I fully agree Fernando's arguments and I am really pleased when hearing something positive about our destiny as a human race, our chances as spiritual beings as well as  claims that are well founded and promote our common good.

    But there is still some kind of conflict between our theories and the latest discoveries in neural sciences. As an example I can give the  "concept of astral projection and astral body" There are neurophysiological very good explanations  as well as energy based or spiritual explanations related to this phenomenon -  also real experimental knowledge - which is  based on ancient and well founded theories related to prana, chi, PSI etc.). All this shows, that we are still very far from the final answer when trying to find the limits of human consciousness.

    The following links are attached in order to clarify this difficult topic:

    https://archive.org/details/TheSerpentPowerByArthurAvalon/page/n17/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/1929MuldoonCarringtonTheProjectionOfTheAstralBody/page/n25/mode/2up

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC535951/

     

     

  19. Thank you Marie for your interesting comments. Based on many reports and stories from different lay people (including myself),  it seems,  that (in many cases) life goes more "smoothly" and without any major disasters, if we follow the "right path" and don't violate our ethical code. However, when I explore further people's life stories, I am no longer so sure that the good always gets paid and vice versa: Many" really good and innocent people" might have a spooky fate, only bad luck and indefinite suffering for a lifetime for no particular reason. The "wise" say, that suffering is a teacher, but I don't sign this statement in all life situations.

    Electronic voices and direct radio voices seem to confirm  at least five facts (1) we are not free to do whatever we like, neither in this life, nor in afterlife (2) Life in the afterlife/ other dimension is based on group soul principle (3) At that "plane", to which we are transitioned  immediately after leaving our physical body,  emotions are more important than reasoning and common sense (4) all souls there are "equal" (without any competition, egoism or without collecting money and goods or running for fame and glory) (5) Everything related to "the passage of time" and "form" is doomed to disappear later or sooner.

    Anabela Cardoso has a chapter worth considering also related to the concept  "free will" in her new book Glimpses of Another world - Impressions and Reflections of an EVP Operator: Link -> 

    https://www.amazon.com/Glimpses-Another-World-Impressions-Reflections-ebook/dp/B094T4854M/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Anabela+cardoso&qid=1637615081&sr=8-1

    Please see also the attached uploaded file (PDF-document)

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    ACARDOSO-FREE WILL-1.pdf

  20. Hi Fernando,

    Nice to hear from you and thank you very much for your profound and detailed comments. They gave me new ideas for reflection !

     

    After reading your text, especially the following your thoughts aroused my interest. (My comments are below):

     

    -The Free-Will problem is one of my all time favorite subjects!

    -The classic simplest example is that I have the freedom to decide to raise my left hand, and, provided there are no physical barriers, the will to put my hand in motion to getting it raised.

    -The common argument against free will goes like this: when I cause, by my will, my hand to be raised, the hand moves and raises. But, we know-or seem to know-all the glory details about how, exactly and down to the biomolecular level, a hand gets raised, and that explanation (of the biomechanical process of a hand moving) is, or seems to be, in direct conflict with the idea of some sort of non-physical, external, causative agent. 

    -A contemporary common argument in favor of free-will offers a definition of free-will as being a compatible neurological phenomena, yet to be found, that (physically) causes the actions dictated.

    -Another common argument in favor offers a compatibilist definition on the basis of the so-called Cartesian Dualism (or a variation of it): that is, the idea that the soul and the body interact but are distinct types of things, with the (deterministic) physical laws governing only the physical body, with the ethereal soul having free-will.

    - the intrinsic fundamental difference between, on the one hand, our actual consciousness, our actual awareness, our actual decisions, and the direct effects of our will, and, on the other hand, the empirical observation of those at  the level of the neural correlates as well as the level of their communicative reporting.

    -Being these experiments of a neurological nature, the conclusions stand on the a priory proposition that the brain processes are causes rather than effects, which need not be the case (and which I don't think it is).

    - The theory being the ideas from the unconscious mind can still cause our body to move (hence the ideomotor term). In the context of free-will, ideomotor theory has been used against it by showing that "is possible for me to move my body yet not volitionally (willing to do it)".

    -My own personal take on this heated topic is that we do, in fact, have free will. But... so does everything else, including the zillions of entities that make up my body, including all the way down to, say, a single electron. A model of reality in which everything is a conscious free-will agent, not just us humans, directly dissolves most of the free-will problem.

     

     

    “Today I escaped anxiety. Or no, I discarded it, because it was within me, in my own perceptions — not outside.”

    — Marcus Aurelius

     

    -       I think the concept ”free will” is in some respects a human-made illusion, as far as our live here on our globe is concerned.: if we look at the course of events from an astronomical point of view, it is predictable when the life cycle of our own sun will end, and when it will become a white dwarf and all life on Earth will also end - no matter what we or any other physical beings and life forms living there behave. All stars like our own center star follow the same formula and the same fate awaits everyone. All minor events in our life are linked to this scenario in one way or another, which we don’t fully understand

    -       The concepts fate , destination, will, change and form are linked to the idiom ”time”, which probably also is a human made illusion due to the limitations of our comrehension. When reading the reports of many well known EVP/ITC researchers, it appears that communicators from the other side or our fellow human beings who have moved beyond, do not understand the passage of time. ”Past” , ”present” and ”future” are for them one and the same thing. They are able to answer to our questions before we ask them, see ”the future” and see the result of some ”test” we have planned to do even before the test itself has been started. It has also been witnessed and confirmed, that mortals ( some of us) have a special spiritual gift and ability to predict the future. This strongly violates the laws of free will. Also without the concept of ”time” divination is impossible. However, if we have more detailed information about the cause of events correlated to time, the prediction becomes more precise ( such as modern weather forecasts based on evolving meteorological data. However, chaos theory linked with climate change explains, that in the future surprising and capricious weather conditions will increase and become more difficult to predict

    -       Our self – as most people experience and understand it – is aqain an illusion.  Many EVP messages seem to indicate,  that people living in afterlife work and act as a ”team” ( ”we are the living, we are the dead”. Is my father there ? Answer: ”He is always with us”. ”We see and hear everything” etc. Not always direct answers do direct and honest questions and a longer interacticve  discussion is a rare event)  They seem to have some kind of group soul or at least like minded souls seek company with like-minded entities and the boundary fences between these groups are closely guarded.

    Please See also :

    Michael Newton’s books : The Journey of Souls and The Destiny of Souls

    Amazon.com : Newton: The journey of souls

     

     This documentation shows – according to my opinion – that our ”will” is not free, neither here on earth, nor beyond. But the problem is in the concept ”self”. According to the Finnish psychiatrist Reima Kampman, our self is composed of different personalities, who manifest themselves as  as different people, whose characteristics may even be opposite to each other. ( Unfortunately, in this study, these personalities also changed their stories  in later sessions under hypnotic regression.)

     

    ·         Kampman, Reima 1973: Hypnotically induced multiple personality. An experimental study. Acta Universitates Ouluensis, Series D, Medica No. 6 Psychiatrica No. 3. University of Oulu, Oulu.

    Link:

    Hypnotically induced multiple personality: An experimental study: International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis: Vol 24, No 3-4 (tandfonline.com)

    ·         Other references:

    Hervey M. Thigpen, Corbett H.; Cleckley (Author): The 3 faces of Eve   

    Link:

    The 3 Faces of Eve: Thigpen, Corbett H.; Cleckley, Hervey M.: 9780445081376: Amazon.com: Books

     

    Bernstein Morey: The Search for Bridey Murphy

    Link:

    Amazon.com: The Search for Bridey Murphy: 9780385260039: Morey Bernstein: Books

     

    Jane Robert’s famous book ”The Seth Material” shows that some  ”spirits” might  be a kind of group beings who may also have the ability to manifest in different dimensions at the same time (Actually ”Seth” manifested during an Ouja session and finally started to dominate Jane Robert’s thought forms which led to a collection of unique documents and books on the ability of spirits to make them perceptile and affect the destiny of an individual’s life.

    Link:

    Amazon.com : The seth material

     

    In summary, I think our body, including our brains and everything linked to their ”material” function is temporary and subject to change. They are deteriorated and destroyed  over time and are left behind at the moment of death. Our self is a different thing than our will and our subliminal self (or selves) are finally responsible for our decisions. Our ”conventional self working and acting  in concrete everyday reality” is only an executor of our subconscious mind /will and its abilities. We should also remember,  that also our physical body is a collection of several different living things:  cells, tissues and ”creatures” + their action ( for example -> effect of white cells and  immunological system on wound healing, bacterial colonisation of our digestive system and even existence of specific bacteria which ”live in our brains” being responsible for their wellfare. All these events start up without our will or decision – by itself.

     

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